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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: IMPORTANT info for all cat/dog owners!! Reply with quote

Bob Martin flea drops for dogs (http://www.bobmartin.co.uk/) are SERIOUSLY toxic to cats.
There is an ingredient in them called permethrin, which as far as I am aware, is only in the Bob Martin brand.
If you accidentally put the dog flea drops onto your cat, it will cause them a horrible death.

Even if your cat comes into contact with a dog who has these drops put on them, it can still be toxic.

God knows how this can still be for sale.

This is NOT a scare story. My sister is a vet nurse, and she has seen this happen to many cats.
Last night, she watched another one die from this.
There is not much awareness of this.
If you have a dog, I strongly advise you to avoid this brand, especially if you also have a cat.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you mind if I posted this on my forum?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all, the further word spreads the better Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This link backs up what I said, 3rd issue down on the page.
Also, the deadly stuff is in more than one brand of flea drops

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FROM ABOVE LINK



Permethrin Spot On Products Can Kill Cats

The following spot on products can be deadly for cats:

Advantix Spot On Solution for Dogs
Armitage Pet Care Flea and Tick Drops for Dogs 702mg Spot-on Solution
Beaphar Dog Flea and Tick Drops, 65% w/w, Cutaneous Solution
Bio-tech’s Anti-Flea and Anti-Tick Drops for Dogs
Bio-tech’s Flea and Tick Drops for Dogs
Bob Martin Dog Spot On Solution 744mg
Bob Martin Dog Spot On Solution 1488mg
Bob Martin Flea and Tick Spot On Solution 744mg
Bob Martin Permethrin Dog Spot On
Exspot Insecticide for Dogs
Hartz Control Pet Care System One Spot Flea and Tick Remedy for Dogs
Hyperdrug Veterinary Flea and Tick Drops for Dogs 742mg Cutaneous Solution
Johnson’s Flea and Tick Drops 742mg for Puppies and Small Dogs, Cutaneous Solution
Johnson’s Insecticidal Flea and Tick Drops 742mg, Cutaneous Solution
Protect Spot Flea and Tick Drops for Dogs
Wilko Dog Flea Drops 65% w/w Cutaneous Solution

These products are intended for the treatment of fleas and ticks in dogs only. They contain permethrin, a substance that is safe for dogs but causes a toxic reaction in cats when present in spot on products, due to its concentration. Cats treated with even small amounts of spot on products containing permethrin, or allowed to groom dogs treated with any of the products in the list above, can develop nervous signs such as depression, drooling, tremors, seizures, vomiting and staggering, and can die.

Some pet owners apply spot on products containing permethrin that are indicated for use in dogs to their cats by mistake, or because they think that it is safe if they use only small amounts of the product. It is not safe to use any spot on product containing permethrin in cats. If you have applied any of the products listed above to your cat, it is important to wash off the product from the cat with water and a mild detergent and seek immediate treatment from your veterinary surgeon. Take the product package with you and show it to the veterinarian.

The VMD is actively monitoring the incidence of suspected adverse reactions to these products and requests that any incident be reported as soon as possible. Details of how to report a suspected adverse reaction can be found by following the link
CLICK ON ABOVE LINK TO REPORT
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a note, ALL flea/tick treatments unless otherwise stated by a vet should ONLY be used on the animal they are designed for. Frontline is toxic to rabbits for example. Even when treating dogs/cats the treatment must be applied where it can't be licked off and animals should be kept seperated until treated area is dry so none licks it off the other. It says this on the instructions for frontline, so always take care to fully read the instructions.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We always put the drops on the scruff of their necks
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silvershark wrote:
Just a note, ALL flea/tick treatments unless otherwise stated by a vet should ONLY be used on the animal they are designed for. Frontline is toxic to rabbits for example. Even when treating dogs/cats the treatment must be applied where it can't be licked off and animals should be kept seperated until treated area is dry so none licks it off the other. It says this on the instructions for frontline, so always take care to fully read the instructions.

some of the comments I've had (I've posted this in a lot of places) along the lines of can't people read, I wish they'd read this thread, because what you just said Silver Shark was both imformative and respectful Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it needs to be made clearer cos noone that I've been in touch with knows that even if a cat grooms a dog with the stuff on, that can be enough to kill them.
I dont know the exact details of the death of the cat that provoked this thread, apart from that he had constant fits and died a "horrible death" However, it must have been really horrible as my sister, who was the nurse on duty when this happened (it happened in the night) has since been singled out for an award.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says on the front of the dog spot on packet it is not to be used on cats, how much clearer can they make it? You would have thought with a warning on the packet a sensible owner would ensure to read the instructions fully to be aware of the risks and how to prevent it.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah but Silvershark its just not happening and animals are dying, they have set up organisations to try and educate people.

This is what I think needs to happen (although it probably never will) some over the counter flea products are not seen to be that safe for any animal, even the animal its meant for. But people buy them because its cheaper than going to the vets. over the counter products need to be changed so they are suitable for at least both cats and dogs (because some products are) It is ludicrous, even with the clearest of warnings that there are products for dogs that are unsafe for cats.
The only people that should be able to provide products that are unsafe for one or the other are vets, who can tell people before they give them the product the dangers in no uncertain terms.

Silvershark there is a real problem going on here as is outlined in this article
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Are we actually saying that cats have to die because it can't be made any more clearer? Or should laws be changed to protect animals against products, that are only brought because they are cheaper

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But why should I have to go to the vets for flea treatment for my dog when I don't even own a cat? That is just making everyone suffer because a few people can't be bothered to use treatments properly. Taking into account the extra cost of having to go to a vet just to get something as routine as flea and tick treatment will, IMHO, put a lot of people off treating their pets at all. Perhaps they should make it the same for human treatments as well in case (as does happen) someone decides to use it on their pets?

People should read the information with all treatments (for their pets and themselves) before they use them. Warnings aren't there to just look pretty if someone choses to ignore the warnings then that is their problem and I hope they treat themselves with the same lack of due care and attention when they take treatment.

The problem isn't the treatment, the problem is people are being irresponsible by not ensuring they fully understand how to use the product safely.

Dog treatments for dogs, cat treatments for cats. Simple.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silvershark wrote:
But why should I have to go to the vets for flea treatment for my dog when I don't even own a cat? That is just making everyone suffer because a few people can't be bothered to use treatments properly. Taking into account the extra cost of having to go to a vet just to get something as routine as flea and tick treatment will, IMHO, put a lot of people off treating their pets at all. Perhaps they should make it the same for human treatments as well in case (as does happen) someone decides to use it on their pets?

People should read the information with all treatments (for their pets and themselves) before they use them. Warnings aren't there to just look pretty if someone choses to ignore the warnings then that is their problem and I hope they treat themselves with the same lack of due care and attention when they take treatment.

The problem isn't the treatment, the problem is people are being irresponsible by not ensuring they fully understand how to use the product safely.

Dog treatments for dogs, cat treatments for cats. Simple.


I think its clearly come to the point where we need to agree to differ over this issue

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for this information. Although I must agree that people should really read and follow the instructions carefully. I use frontline on my dogs and put it around the nape/shoulder blade area so that they do not accidentally ingest the substance. It is a harmful chemical, after all it aims to eliminate the fleas.
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